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Messagepar Stjarna » 29 Mar 2009, 11:15

J'ajoute volontairement une trad' littérrale (mot à mot) de LITTLE SOUL car ftrapes a déjà proposé une trad' plus littéraire. Les deux se complèteront et donneront une bonne vision d'ensemble de ce titre.


Ma modeste flamme
Va briller
Briller si fort
Et illuminer ton esprit.

Ma modeste âme
Laissera une empreinte.

Cette modeste voix
va chanter
Je n'ai pas le choix
Infiniment elle retentira.

Ma modeste âme
Laissera une empreinte.

Je canalise l'univers
Il se concentre en mon sein
Une singularité.

Mes modestes mots
Vont piquer
N'as tu pas entendu
La douleur et la joie qu'ils apportent.

Ma modeste âme
Laissera une empreinte.

Tes jolis yeux
Vont voir
La beauté en moi
Que je ne peut masquer.

Ma modeste âme
Laissera une empreinte.
"Some rise by sin, and some by virtue fall". - (Measure for Measure Act II, Scene I).
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Messagepar mags » 29 Mar 2009, 11:51

Encore un copié/collé

In Sympathy

They’re almost falling over you
Why don't we call a truce
Whatever they are trying to do
It's of little use

They're drowning you in compliments
Trying to furnish proof
In all they speak with eloquence
There is little truth

You're bright, you're strong
You know your right from wrong
At least to some degree
You're wise, you're tuff
You've heard the lies enough
You smile in sympathy

I'm watching your serenity
The way your soul transcends
The tedious of sanities
Your patience never ends

And as the night begins to fade
You're heading for the door
You fall about separate
You're on your own once more

You're bright, you're strong
You know your right from wrong
At least to some degree
You're wise, you're tuff
You've heard the lies enough
You smile in sympathy
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Messagepar Stjarna » 29 Mar 2009, 11:57

aaron a écrit:Pour PEACE, j'avais une lecture un peu différente du titre :
j'avais perçu le terme "peace", comme dans l'expression "repose en paix".
Pour moi, il fait allusion à une paix et au repos éternels.
Et ses "c'est inévitable", c'est "inexorable" semblent confirmer cela.

Maintenant, de quelle manière traduire cette notion, je t'avoue que je ne sais pas.
Mais "la paix", textuellement, a une connotation différente qui dénature cette lecture.

ftrapes a raison sur le sens propre de l'expression: effectivement "peace will come" a une connotation religieuse. Je ne suis pas hyper calée en "bible en anglais" mais il me semble bien que ça fait parti des "classiques".
Par contre, moi je ne traduirais pas "peace will come to me" en utilisant le terme biblique car je pense qu'il est simplement utilisé ici, mais à d'autres fins.
Il fait une espèce de bilan... ça ne colle pas.
Je crois que dans la bible c'est "peace will come" je ne suis pas sure que cela ai quelque chose à voir avec le "que la paix soit avec toi"...ou bien c'est une traduction inexacte en français d'une idée plus générique.
ftrapes...je crois que tes connaissance sont plus vastes sur le sujet! Quel passage de la bible, quel contexte????
Mon humble avis: la référence biblique doit être prise au sens philosophique, peut etre plus pour évoquer le passage d'un état vers un autre: de torturé à appaisé par exemple...
De plus le "que la paix soit avec toi" est rescent si je ne m'abuse...à la base c'est plutot "avec vous" au sens universel car on n'utilise le "tutoyement" à l'église que depuis peu finalement. Donc le sens premier a été détourné avec cet emploi. Je pense qu'on parle de paix universelle: hors là c'est "to me" carrément détourné puisuqe renvoyé à l'individu.

L'emploi de "will" effectivement implique un côté inévitable. Cela arrivera, c'est sûr...mais je ne suis pas certaine que l'on puisse lier cela au "repos éternel"... non, je pense que cette "paix" est bien terrestre! Il aura son "repos" de l'âme" mais pas dans l'au delà...il est convaincu qu'il pourra y gouter dans ce bas monde.
La "paix" évoquée est plutôt la "paix de l'esprit", la "paix intérieure", la "paix avec soi-même". Une forme de sérénité.

Voilà les réflexions que m'inspirent le titre
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Messagepar Stjarna » 29 Mar 2009, 12:21

mags a écrit:Encore un copié/collé

In Sympathy

They’re almost falling over you
Why don't we call a truce (THEY call)
Whatever they are trying to do
It's of little use

They're drowning you in compliments
Trying to furnish proof
In all they speak with eloquence (and all???)
There is little truth

You're bright, you're strong
You know your right from wrong
At least to some degree
You're wise, you're tuff (TOUGH)
You've heard the lies enough (THEIR lies)
You smile in sympathy

I'm watching your serenity
The way your soul transcends
The tedious of sanities (THEIR tedious OBSENITIES)
Your patience never ends

And as the night begins to fade
You're heading for the door
You fall about separate (and followed by....????)
You're on your own once more

You're bright, you're strong
You know your right from wrong
At least to some degree
You're wise, you're tuff (TOUGH)
You've heard the lies enough (THEIR)
You smile in sympathy

j'ai mis mes annotations directement sur ton post...à vérifier! ;)
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Messagepar Stjarna » 29 Mar 2009, 12:34

Miles Away: dur dur...on entend difficilement ce que Dave chante...

Miles Away/The Truth Is

It's one of those conversations
We've we've had to devour

The ones that leave you empty
And wanting for more

You're eyes they tell me something
That I understand
You're eyes they hold the truth
And the truth is

You're miles away
You're miles away
You're miles away

Excuse me for my hesitation
Of I met you before (I've..I've met you)
Your face seems so familiar
And belonging for more (and LONGING)

You're eyes they tell me something
That I understand

You're eyes they hold the truth
And a truth is

You're miles away
You're miles away
You're miles away

With all your superstitions
And empty lines
I could be just like you
With drum but alive ( ....?????)

Life we have with it's limitation (life it HAS ITS)
We all have our needs
Love to be the only answer (could be)
To lies and their trees (it lies underneath)

You're eyes they tell me something (Your)
That I understand
You're eyes they hold the truth
And a truth is

You're miles away
You're miles away
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Messagepar ftrapes » 29 Mar 2009, 14:47

A des kilomètres de la vérité


C'est l'une de ces conversations
Où nous nous jetons à corps perdu
De celles qui te vident
Et te laissent en manque

Tes yeux me parlent
Et je comprends
Tes yeux renferment une vérité (Your eyes they hold a truth in)
Et tu en es

A des kilomètres
A des kilomètres
A des kilomètres


Pardonne mon hésitation
Je t'avais déjà vu (I've met you before)
Ton visage m'est si familier
Et en implore davantage (And longing for more)

Tes yeux me parlent
Et je comprends
Tes yeux renferment une vérité
Et tu en es

A des kilomètres
A des kilomètres
A des kilomètres

Avec toutes tes superstitions
Et tes absences
Je pourrai être ainsi
Le regard vacillant (With trembling eyes, pas sûr toutefois)

La vie a ses propres limites
Et nous avosn tous nos besoins
L'amour pourrait bien être la seule réponse (could be)
Aux mensonges et ??????

Tes yeux me parlent
Et je comprends
Tes yeux renferment une vérité
Et tu en es

A des kilomètres
A des kilomètres
A des kilomètres



Pour Peace, la formule n'est pas à proprement parler dans la Bible, c'est celle de la liturgie catholique, Que la Paix soit avec Vous ! Et avec votre esprit ! Amen ! Je suis sûr que ça vous rappelle des trucs :respect: :respect:




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Messagepar Stjarna » 29 Mar 2009, 20:58

Pour info: j'ai commencé à éditer les paroles avec les corrections apportées grace à la version "T"... :zique:
à suivre!
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Messagepar StellaTokyo » 30 Mar 2009, 04:46

Je me permets d'apporter une petite contribution ;)

-Miles Away/The Truth Is-

It's one of those conversations
We've we've had to devour

The ones that leave you empty
And wanting for more

Your eyes they tell me something
That I understand
Your eyes they hold the truth
And the truth is

You're miles away
You're miles away
You're miles away

Excuse me for my hesitation
Of I've met you before
Your face seems so familiar
And longing for more

Your eyes they tell me something
That I understand

Your eyes they hold the truth
And a truth is

You're miles away
You're miles away
You're miles away

With all your superstitions
And empty lines
I could be just like you
Withdrawn but alive (pas sur a 100%)

Life it has its limitation
We all have our needs
Love could be the only answer
It lies underneath

Your eyes they tell me something
That I understand
Your eyes they hold the truth
And a truth is

You're miles away
You're miles away




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To draw you in
To leave you hooked
One kiss, you paid the price
You had a taste
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Messagepar StellaTokyo » 30 Mar 2009, 05:50

Dur dur celle la :confused: j'ai beau l'ecouter encore et encore ya des passages ou j'ai vraiment du mal a comprendre les paroles.

-Hole To Feed-

We are here
We can love
We share something
I'm sure
That you mean no odd to me (the world ?)

Your name was the one that was always chosen
Your words and the kindness have set me free
Shame as a hole that has kept us frozen
You open my eyes to a world that I could believe

Words can leave you broken inside
You’ll have to decide
I'm hanging onto my pride

We are here
We can love
We share something
I'm sure
That you mean no odd to me (the world?)

When you guess (?) what you need
There's no way of knowing
What you'll have
Is another hole to feed

The games that we played have left us hoping
The gift that we have the life that we breathe

This world could leave you broken inside
With nowhere to hide
I'm hanging onto my pride

We are here...
We've been chosen...
We've been blessed with the place we need to find and then open

We are here
We can love
We share something
I'm sure
That you mean no odd to me (the world?)
When you guess (?) what you need
There's no way of knowing
What you'll have is another hole to feed

Stjarna, je pense que tu as une bien meilleure oreille que moi alors j'attend tes corrections :)
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To leave you hooked
One kiss, you paid the price
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Messagepar StellaTokyo » 30 Mar 2009, 06:45

-Fragile Tension-

There is a fragile tension,
that’s keeping us going.
It may not last forever,
but oh when it's flowing
there's something magical in the air,
something so tragic we have to care.

There’s a strange obsession,
Withdrawing us nearer. (?)
We don’t understand it,
it never gets clearer.
There's something mystical in our dreams (genes? j'entend le meme mot que Stjarna)
So simplistic it kicks and screams.

Oh when we've seen to (???) on the edge of collapse
Nothing can keep us down

There’s a dizzying feeling,
that’s keeping us flying,
Through glittering (???)
without even trying
There's something radical in our heads,
nothing logical to our plans.




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To leave you hooked
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Messagepar StellaTokyo » 30 Mar 2009, 07:25

-In Symapthy-

They’re almost falling over you
Why don't they call a truce
Whatever they are trying to do
It's of little use

They're drowning you in compliments
Trying to furnish proof
And though they speak with eloquence
There is little truth

You're bright, you're strong
You know your right from wrong
At least to some degree
You're wise, you're tough
You've heard their lies enough
You smile in sympathy

I'm watching your serenity
The way your soul transcends
Their tedious obsenities
Your patience never ends

And as the night begins to fade
You're heading for the door
And followed by a sad parade (??)
You're on your own once more

You're bright, you're strong
You know your right from wrong
At least to some degree
You're wise, you're tough
You've heard their lies enough
You smile in sympathy


(Olala qu'est ce que je l'aime celle la... :inlove: )
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To draw you in
To leave you hooked
One kiss, you paid the price
You had a taste
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Messagepar StellaTokyo » 30 Mar 2009, 08:08

-Jezebel-

They call you Jezebel
Whenever we walk in
you're going straight to hell
For want an act of sin - they say,
and that I'll have to pay
But I need you just this way

They call you Jezebel
For what you like to wear (?)
You're morally unwell
They say you'll never care for me
But what they fail to see is that your games (perso j'entend gate) are the key.

Open their eyes to the beauty
Open their hearts to the fun
Open their minds to the idea that you don't own someone.

(2:02: coupure bizarre :sarcasme:)

They call you Jezebel
Whenever men walk by
They say that they can tell
The longing in your eyes is real
and how you really feel
But they can't see your appeal.
One touch is all it took
To draw you in
To leave you hooked
One kiss, you paid the price
You had a taste
Of paradise
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Messagepar Stjarna » 30 Mar 2009, 08:55

Coucou!!! merci pour ta contribution! ;)
J'avais déjà commencer à corriger directement sur les textes!
Est-ce que tu peux éditer/effacer tes posts et rajouter tes annotations directements sur ceux du haut afin que l'on ai une version avec commentaires par chanson pour ne pas alourdir le fil et que cela soit facile à lire.
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Messagepar StellaTokyo » 30 Mar 2009, 10:47

Stjarna a écrit:In Chains

The way you move
Has got me yearning
The way you move
Has left me burning

I know you know what you doing to me (You'RE doing)
I know my heart will never be free (my HANDS)
I know what it's like to be in chains

The way you move
It's mental hold me (Is meant to haunt me)
The way you move
To tempt and taught me (taunt me???)

I know you knew on a day you were born (the day)
I know somehow I shouldn't be won't (should have been warned) (*)
I know I walk every midnight to dawn in chains

In chains I'm in chains
In chains I'm in chains

You've got me dying for you
It's you that I'm living through
You've got me praying to you
Saying to you anything you want me to
You've got me reaching for you
My soul's beseeching me too (to?)
You've got me singing to you
Bringing to you anything you ask me to


The way you move
It's mesmerizing (IS)
The way you move
It's hypnotizing

I know I crumble when you are around
Start to mumble a bit of false sound
Straggle stumble shackled and bound in chains (Stagger)

In chains I'm in chains
In chains I'm in chains

You've got me dying for you
It's you that I'm living through
You've got me praying to you
Saying to you anything you want me to
You've got me reaching for you
My soul's beseeching me too
You've got me singing to you
Bringing to you anything you ask me to

I'm in chains In chains
I'm in chains In chains

(*) c'est ce qui me semble entendre et au niveau du sens ca me parait plus juste... mais bon pareil je suis pas sur a 100% :)
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Messagepar Stjarna » 31 Mar 2009, 00:42

A force d'écouter et aux vues des thèmes abordés je commence à me dire que la simplicité des lyrics finalement reflète une certaine forme de sérénité teinté d'ironie.
Un peu comme si le père Mart' était en train/avait tourné une page pour parvenir enfin à être moins torturé, plus appaisé...et aussi décomplexé....ce qui expliquerait cela! :)
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Messagepar StellaTokyo » 31 Mar 2009, 04:38

Stjarna a écrit:A force d'écouter et aux vues des thèmes abordés je commence à me dire que la simplicité des lyrics finalement reflète une certaine forme de sérénité teinté d'ironie.


Je suis assez d'accord...

Sur d'autre topics j'ai vu que certains reprochaient aux lyrics d'etre justement trop simplistes et pas assez dark. J'avou que c'etait un peu mon opinion au debut (la faute a "Peace" ca! ). Mais je m'appercois que les choses evoluent...

Par exemple a la premiere ecoute, Jezebel m'a laisse plutot froide et dubitative. Je trouvais ce morceau un tantinet trop simple et fade pour LE titre chante par Martin sur SOTU. Mais apres avoir prete l'oreille aux paroles plusieures fois, la simplicite commence vraiment a fonctionner pour moi... L'ambiance est bien installee et chaque fois que j'ecoute Jezebel j'ai des images tres claires qui se forment dans ma tete.
Tout comme pour Little Soul d'ailleur :) C'etait deux titres auxquel j'accrochais pas tellement au debut mais maintenant ils font partis de mes preferes.

Plus je l'ecoute et plus il me parle moi ct'album la! :inlove:
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Messagepar pierrot » 31 Mar 2009, 18:09

par contre je serais preneur de la traduc de hole to feed.
I'm waiting for the night to fall
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Messagepar Omid » 31 Mar 2009, 18:32

Le premier vers de "Jezebel", corrigé :

They call you Jezebel
Whenever we walk in
"You're going straight to hell
For wanton acts of sin," they say,
And that I'll have to pay
But I need you just this way
...spreading the booze around the world

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Messagepar Stjarna » 31 Mar 2009, 18:45

Omid a écrit:Le premier vers de "Jezebel", corrigé :

They call you Jezebel
Whenever we walk in
"You're going straight to hell
For wanton acts of sin," they say,
And that I'll have to pay
But I need you just this way

Merci Omid!!!
Peux tu essayer de choper la partie qui manque sur Fragile Tension??? J'arrive vraiment pas à entendre ;)
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Messagepar Omid » 31 Mar 2009, 19:49

Stjarna a écrit:Peux tu essayer de choper la partie qui manque sur Fragile Tension???

Bien sûr ! :)

There's a fragile tension
That's keeping us going
It may not last forever
But, oh, when it's flowing
There's something magical in the air
Something so tragic we have to care

There's a strange obsession
That's drawing us nearer
We don't understand it
It never gets clearer
There's something mystical in our genes
So simplistic it kicks and screams

Oh when we seem too weak (je pense !!!)
On the edge of collapse
Nothing can keep us down

There's a dizzying feeling
That's keeping us flying
Through glittering gardens
Without even trying

There's something radical in our hands
Nothing logical to our plans
...spreading the booze around the world

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